I'm really impressed with what they're offering at that price point
@Andres Ruiz oh hell no, the top row doesn't replace the numpad 🤣 gonna cling to my full size boards, they can pry them from my cold dead hands. *builds up stockpile
@TheSynrgy1987 I feel like full size is going the way of the dodo. I come from a data entry / excel workspace so have 10key is amazing but I have to learn to use the top row and lower sized boards to fit with the future meta lol
I have the K3 with optical switches and it's honestly one of my favorite keyboards I've ever owned. Thinking about buying a bigger low-profile keyboard from them as soon as they have optical switch options as well.
@The Baker I have a Q2 and completely agree, the quality, polish, and expandability for the price is so incredible. This thing is built like an actual brick, and I love it!
Not bad but sadly no full size ISO layout :(
north facing LEDs shine through well but cause interference with cherry profile keycaps ... south facing leds dont shine as well and are better for cherry profile keycaps as they dont cause interference
@OskyEdz nono north facing just means the led's are at the top, southfacing at the bottom. And if your keycaps' legend is not on the same side of the face like the led's you'll have worse back lighting. It's a super simple thing. One thing to note tho, some keycaps have physical clearance issues with north facing switch-led configuration. But there are also switches which 360° around this issue thanks to design changes.
@Daniel aha, the key caps interfere with the light. I was thinking about interference where the light is canceled out cause of some weird wave disturbance
it depends on the board now. afaik northfacing always used to interfere but some have worked around it.
This is the most overrated concern in mechanical keyboards. Many cherry mx compatible switches don't have this problem and it only happens with one row in the cherry profile, if at all. South facing switches are useless for shine-through and negates the purpose of having LEDs in the first place.
The preference for south facing switches amongst "enthusiasts" is encouraging laziness and bad practices amongst manufacturers. The problem isn't with north facing switches - the problem is with poor tolerances being the norm for a lot of switches and keycaps. Non-shine through keycaps may look nicer but are less functional than shine-through keycaps.
I love that Nicholas is getting to do all of these keyboard reviews the enthusiast market is rapidly expanding and becoming easier to get in to I love it!!!
I really like keychron. For the longest time I was feeling really intimidated by the mechanical keyboard market, because everything seem to be kits or other things that you had to put together yourself, and I’m just not a hardware builder. Then my friend at work told me about this company, and it seemed perfect, I could just buy the keyboard all put together and plug it in and use it. It was like the old keyboards from the 80s, just with a few modern features on top, which is exactly what I had been looking for.
I have a K8 aluminum with blues. I love it.
I have 2 keychron keyboards. They're awesome, would recpmmend. I've also had a corsair k95 for like 5 years and I love it.
@Mr_RayzFox I have no problems with gaming on my keychron Q2 besides when I play rhythm games where I noticed that it keychatters from time to time. Not present when typing or playing other games so it must be just me fucking up. 1000 Hz polling rate if you care about that too.
Are they any good for gaming ?
I got the K95 Platinum, with silvers, no matter what I try in Windows options for key repeats, or iCUE, the thing is near impossible to type with. Good for some gaming though.
I too have 2 Keychron keyboards, and have been using a K95 for years.
I really wish that Keychron would add 2.4 wireless to their boards. I like mine but having to rely on Bluetooth has relegated it more to a hardwired board for me.
@Wan Ahmad Amjad Nice, have fun!
@John Pang Brown switches I guess. I want the least noisy ones so browns it is.
@Wan Ahmad Amjad Nice! Just curious what switches you are planning on using?
@John Pang yep! Ima go buy a royal kludge keyboard since they're affordable and good quality (according to reviews). Thank god they have a bunch of 96% layout with 2.4 wireless! I can't live without the numbpad. Now to choose whether to buy RK100 or RK96 or even RK989 K104 Plus. I guess having a lot of options have its down side too haha!
@Wan Ahmad Amjad Like an early comment said, the RK line of keyboards are very good for their price (I have the rk68), and after some light modding they sound and feel very good. Plus most RK keyboards have Bluetooth and 2.4G
Bluetooth can still be finicky in windows. Would be nicer if ever they have their own 2.4GHz (not bluetooth 2.4GHz) dongle, so you can have an option between it or bluetooth (aside from going wired, so you won't have wires over your desk).
This doesn't have a 2.4ghz dongle? Well that's a dealbreaker for me, bluetooth is pretty much useless for gaming without it.
bluetooth is useless. I had 3 their boards none of them work properly with bt
@BlackTears exactly, you don't do competitve gaming with a Keychron that's the reason gaming keyboards exist. I do casual gaming mostly Dota 2 on my K8 and it's not too bad specially I only use it with BT.
Their refusal to use anything other than bluetooth for wireless baffles me. They know folks want it.
@gearman I mean, you can watch videos testing the latency of 2.4 to wired, especially the implementations from Logitech, Corsair, and Razer (which is mentioned in the video). There is virtually no difference, the wired v wireless debate isn't what it used to be, wireless performs as well over 2.4GHz. I was a little peeved when he said he'd recommend the Keychron over boards from those brands because the Keychron lacks a TON of gaming specific features and low latency wireless tech that these gaming brands have implemented. I use an RK84 Pro for work, but then I use a Logi G915 TKL for gaming and the difference is night and day.
This is what the hobby needs, a beginner friendly affordable board with great features. TKL's probably the best layout too, cause a lot of pople are afraid of giving up their F row for a 65%.
I have a K8 on Linux (Bluetooth is finicky, requires configuration) and I supported the campaign for the K8 Pro which I'm waiting for at the moment. As a person that finds it difficult to find a "comfortable" keyboard I can tell you, between all the keyboards that I have (Das, Ducky, Razer, Truly Ergonomic...) the Keychron just hit all my buttons and I'm extremely happy with it.
I've been using a K6 for work for the past year. It's been great except for the lack of delete key (and the promised remap tool which is still vaporware), and the delay when the bluetooth reconnects. If I could remap the light key to delete it would be perfect.
Fr, I just got my k6 recently as well, I really wanted to remap the light key, as well as the home, pg up and pg down, and customise some of the key combo/shortcuts. At this point I think keychron just gave up on the software and probably will come up with “pro” version of that support qmk/via
@nilleftw I wasn't really annoyed about the bluetooth wakeup time until I got my cheap Reccazr 60% board for home/travel, which (like the K6) takes several seconds to reconnect but (unlike the K6) remembers what keys were pressed and enters them when it does reconnect. On the K6 anything entered while it's reconnecting just goes into the void. (Incidentally, the 60% also has a dedicated delete key and uses fn combinations to control the lighting.) They're not really in the same class feel- and sound-wise, the Reccazr feels like it costs half of the K6 (which it does), but I really wasn't expecting the bluetooth to behave better on the cheaper board.
Same, really miss that Delete key. I could never get used to the FN combination. The bluetooth has been finicky at best, but that could be my stupid PC too.
3:58 "North facing rgb doesnt shine through everything aswell". Well thats just plain wrong. North facing lights are better for shine through, but can cause issues with cherry profile caps sometimes. South facing lights are better for compatibility, but not as good in shine through.
@Benvel not plain right
@G33RsofDeath Because light still shines above the plate and you can see it. It's why some cheaper keyboards have white painted plates.
South facing will probably look great with side printed shine through caps though.
@G33RsofDeath there's plenty of photos of opaque keycaps and "backlight" on the internet. Not saying it makes sense, that's just what people do 🤷♂️
I've been a fan of Keychron since their kickstarter for the K1. I have bought several since including the recent Q2. I still dont fet how VIA works but the Q2 was setup outnof thr box fine for me.
Ive been rockin' the regular K8 for a year now and love it. Its built solid, gets great battery life and has about 20 different options for the RGB. Wife even liked it so much she got a wired 10 key for herself. These really are great keyboards.
WHO TOLD THEM THAT THOCK IS THE SECRET TO THUMBNAILS I WANT CREDIT FOR THIS
Hey Hipyo! What do you think of this keyboard?
I've had 2 Ducky's that I've been mostly happy with and recently bought a Leopold FC750R. The Leopold build quality is excellent and not too expensive.
Finally really glad you reviewed a Keychron keyboard finally and even recommended it over your typical gaming brand ones. Keychron imo is the perfect entry level enthusiast keyboard.
I use a K8 for more than a year now with broken BT1, it's a good thing that they are fixing the most common complaints like the ABS keycaps and lack of key mapping software. It's BT 5.1 as well which I hope fixes the random issues with Windows, it would still be best to have a dedicated dongle for 2.4GHz IMO.
Got myself a hot swap-able K4v2 back in October, originally with blues because that's all they had at the time, but I've since upgraded to reds and holy shit am I in love with this keyboard, especially at the price point! Blows mainstream gaming keyboards out of the water!
Typing this on a K3D right now, I wanted the lower keycaps and the brown switches with the white backlight. It's the second best keyboard I've ever owned (one has to have a measure) and it does work with a keyboard shortcut between win (even typing this on win7 now), android and ios. cannot recommend the build quality and the controllers that make the thing work highly enough.
I've been pretty happy with the Keychron products I've gotten over the years. Debating on picking up this or the Q3 soon!
Bought the Keychron K6 a while a go and it's one of my favorite keyboards that I've owned. Wish it had PBT caps, that would really make it the best. It's a close contender with my Vortex RACE3 PBT, which is just ahead (but more expensive).
Just came here to say that I'm shocked to hear that Linksys still exists. Loved my Linksys WRT54G back in the day before Unifi became a thing.
Linksys is a Cisco brand so it's not a small company :)
Too big for my taste, sounds nice tho and the build quality seems decent, especially at that price. Waiting for the Q4 (or is it 5?), the 60% keychron and buy it barebone, seems like a perfect keyboard for the office.
I waited ages to buy a proper keyboard, up until the K4v2 was released, it was the first keyboard that ticked all the right boxes for me. I customised the devil out of it, and I would now take a bullet for the board, it's plain great and pleasure to use.
Really wished for a comparison to a similar keyboard at this price range since i heard so much "its fine" when I can't imagine any standard brand keyboard at this price that could compare to it really
exactly what i'm talking about above
Great they added a silicone layer. Their boards can be a little hollow. For my K6 I added a DYI silicone so nice to see they are adding it now.
For another keyboard review, I'd recommend one from NuPhy. They have low profile mechanical boards, with bluetooth, and is hot-swappable. Very similar price as well.
My first THOCK board was a Keychron K2, the quality, packaging and price point is a no brainer, I feel like Keychron is super underrated and if you know what you're doing you can customize EVERYTHING. Would definitely recommend to all
Keychron has had some issues with QC in the past. Hopefully that is cleared up with this board. The biggest piece of advice I have though is if you want one of these, order through Amazon. Keychron has abhorrent customer service, and by ordering through Amazon you can return it easily to them rather than trying to deal with Keychron if needed.
I recently bought a K8. I'm happy with it, I didn't feel like waiting for the Pro. I didn't feel the need for the pro features but I sort of want to try these keycaps, I feel like the ones on the K8 are a little too proud for me. Also you definitely need a wrist rest because this keyboard is tall
@Daniel It's a QMK/VIA keyboard while the K8 isn't. There's a silicon pad which is supposed to reduce the echo, I have not had that problem. I was ready to mod mine but when I received it I didn't think I needed to "fix" anything. I got a Keychron wooden wrist rest and I've been happy with it. It definitely is much taller than a lot of available keyboards. I don't believe I could learn to type with floating wrists, with my setup it sounds really bad for the elbows/shoulders.
What are the "pro" featres? You could try learning to type with floating wrists, where your arms are on the desk and your wrists don't touch the desk or any wrist rest. Takes some time to get used to, but your wrists will not hurt
I got my Keychron Q3 two weeks ago. It's really good, except that the pre-applied switch-lube is kinda all over the place. Some are really thocky and the key right next to it is clacky. I guess I'll replace them soon.
Its great to see the mechanical keyboard hobby becoming main stream, very nice
I use a K2 almost purely for my phone and also for my laptop when I'm on the go. I really, really wish Keychron provided a hard shell top. They offer a traveling case, but that thing is much bigger and doesn't fit into my bag as well. I use a soft sleeve that came with an old tablet that fits my k2 just fine, but really want to just find someone with a 3d printer to print me up a hard shell for the K2 that could also double as a wrist wrest.
the disappointing thing is that all the QMK/VIA features were going to be for the original K8 wiith their own software, but they gave up and decided to make a new one instead. i really wish i could just buy the motherboard for it and just upgrade mine.
You can flash it with qmk but it requires a bit of work and it's not going to be exactly the same as the qmk series
100% this. I recently got a K2 v2 and decided to return it because of the essentially non-existent firmware/customization support. To say nothing of the absurd Delete key placement, which can't be customized in software, because refer previous sentence. Very happy with my Royal Kludge RK84, which has all these features plus more, all for a lower price point. I'll miss the feel of the K2's typing sounds, but I will *not* be missing their cheap thin oil-magnet keycaps.
I just got my Keychron K4v2, and I'm extremely happy about it. Got the white/blue keycaps with Gat Reds, and I'm in love.
I customized mine quite heavily. I've now four different switches in my K4v2, I love that keyboard, and its features were made for my needs and wants.
Recently bought a k4 v2 as my first foray into the world of mechanical keyboards. I got the blue switches and my god is it ever clicky! But I like it and probably will get new linear switches down the line
Thank god ya didn't pick blues💀
I kinda love the color scheme. It reminds me of the Thinkpad Keyboard
I almost bought the K10 this past week but the side USB and not being able to get it without switches and caps was the deal breaker for me.
Hey, love the keyboard content. I struggle to find reliable 2.4ghz wireless keyboards not named logitech. Would you be able to advise good vs not good options in that realm?
royal kludge makes a number of kbs that have 2.4 ghz wireless, mechanical keyswitches, RGB, etc. Cheaper than this keychron one as well.
For the price of admission, this sure is a damn good offering.
My one main gripe with my own K8 TKL is there's no alt menu key, which I use a lot instead of taking my hand away from the keyboard to right-click on the mouse.
With QMK and VIA, this let's you change anything and everything you can imagine. :)
Some interesting feature for some keyboard what can be saved in on board memory, which is useful when using other operating systems and/or multiple computers. Looking at you logitech g915 tkl (only "simple" rgb can be saved on board, meanwhile asus claymore and corsair which are way cheaper can do it...)
As a person who has a Mac for work and PC for gaming, I LOVE to have a single keyboard, just switch BT device or wired mode and I'm ready to game. I got a K2 and will definitely upgrade to a k8 soon.
South facing is so there isn't interference with Cherry profile keycaps - north facing is actually better for RGB.
What i really want, is this keyboard, but with a good IBM style trackpoint.I use the heck out of my lenovo wireless tackpoint2 because it has both a dongle and bluetooth, but it would be even better if it had a wired option with backlighting
I bought the Q2 and absolutely love it! So choncky with all the metal and great quality!
It has multi device connectivity as well which was pretty rare the last time I was looking for a solid wireless option.
hhkb hybrid has it too
Having used a K8 for over a year, I did notice that the paint / finish on the keys are not good and will chip and wear off on common keys. That is kind of annoying.
7 years ago I bought a Ducky DK2108S with blue LEDs and MX Blues for 119 euros (free shipping) and I'm still using it to this day. It's the keyboard with the least amount of flex that I've ever held, the caps are shine through, none have faded, is a *full* keyboard, and comes with basic media buttons (mute, volume down, volume up, and calculator). I love it.
My K8 is incredible, might have to update to the pro when I find out if it comes with uk-iso keys
this guy should be reserved for keyboards imo, he’s a treat when he does them and if you use him for other stuff you could water him down.
good video as always, i would want to put just a small detail that could be added: just a quick explanation about what VIA is would be nice on the video. Yes i know the focus here is the enthusiasts, but i watch all SCs because i like this video style. I got curious about what it was, so i paused and googled it, solved my question, but as i said, it would be nice for the regular viewer to hear a quick explanation about it inside the content.
The main thing with Southfacing LEDs is Cherry profile compatibility. This is especially important for the Keychron board because nobody really likes their stock ABS caps.
Love my k3 and k8, will surely update to the k8 pro if they release it in iso layout
Have a keychron as well. Best feature in my opinion is the quick swapping (Fn + 1, Fn + 2, Fn + 3) to switch between 3 bluetooth devices (work laptop, desktop, console/phone). Love it.
I use a hub so I can switch mouse and keyboard together. Works great and faster than the switching of connection profiles (with my devices)
I'd like to see a video on the VIA software in terms of customization, this keyboard is beautiful.
Waiting for this keyboard with different caps and different layouts... Hope they will get them in their store fast!
The second keyboard to have QMK/VIA and wireless compatibility is the Zoom 65 Essential Edition
Thing is with those I still prefer regular mechanical gaming keyboards because they usually come with a lot of bonus features and keys which I use quite heavily… and I don’t really care what switches, stabs or whatever are in it since I always wear headphones and I don’t hear it anyways. Also it’s a pain to get enthusiast boards that aren’t ANSI
Not all boards benefit from big silcone slabs at the bottom, depending on their construction and switches you use, this can negatively impact sound and feel.
Stuffing the spacebar with foam is a good way to bring its volume in line with the rest of the keyboard
K series is fine, but the Q series boards are next level. Would love to see this channel check out the Q1, 2, 3, etc. (Up to 8 expected in the future)
I was already planning on buying one of these keyboards, and this just solidified it
I was stoked to be able to get a K10 a while back after being disappointed in some terrible design choices on the G915 (no backlighting of the shift functions on keys, no proximity sensor for the backlight like their cheaper boards even have). I am, sadly, still using my G915 due to the absolutely terrible bluetooth performance on it while the K10 waits for another computer where I don't need the wireless as much. I love it in every other way, but what hot garbage wireless performance.
Nicholas has really good energy on this vid! Impressive typing score as well, bet it took a few takes tho :p
I was looking for a good wireless keyboard, I hope they also have a version with numerical keys.
@silberwolfSR71 Oh, dang... You're right! it's been half a year since i checked and i followed their newsletter... Looks like the k10 was a bit of a silent release (they focused on the Q1)! But yeah, - no VIA support, - limited color options (i prefer the retro one) - no option without backlight (battery saving) Honestly, I guess right now i'm happy with my Logitech g613 but if it breaks i still might look at the k10.
@silberwolfSR71 Also the K4, which is 96% i.e. full size but without any space around the arrow keys and home cluster. But indeed none of the QMK models have numpads. I personally picked up a separate numpad that I usually keep on the left of my K2.
They do sell one with a numpad, the K10. However I don't think it has QMK/VIA support.
They dont, sadly. It's a big issue imo.
I've been looking for a 65% layout for awhile and keychron has one! I think I'm gonna grab it.
The only thing that turns me away from keychron wireless keyboards is that they are only bluetooth, they don't have anything like logitech's lightspeed wireless or razer's hyperspeed wireless. I've had too many bad experiences with bluetooth.
Only problem with it is there's no 2.4Ghz option for wireless and only bluetooth
I love how in these shortcircuits you're always adding more keyboard enthusiasts' jargon from "hot swappable" to "thock" I don't know if you're educating the audience or just discovering them bts But it's cute like when your mom says "dank meme" or "drip" and you just think "You're doing great, go on, love you"
Very happy with my K1 SE with banana optical switches and white backlight. It’s exactly what I was looking for.
I already have the k8 non pro and my only complaint is that because there is that raised bezel type edge to it, it’s really hard to get dust out of it.
Might wanna look at an Akko 3084B Plus board. 120$ Budget board that comes with good switches(Jelly pink/purple) and PBT keycaps. Im super impressed with mine, 0 rattle and it feels extremely nice to type on. Also Wireless/Wired/Bluetooth and hotswap.
Keychron is really known for bad connection issues. I’ve got one wired and it’s okay.. but ducky is so much better even when comparing 2-3x price
Can you swap the keys for shine through? Or does that only work well when the lighting is specifically set up for that?
Yes you can swap
really wish the Keychron's had a 2.4ghz dongle instead of bluetooth. Really had a lot of bluetooth issues with my K2. my ROG Claymore has had zero with 2.4ghz, even though I vastly prefer the keys on the keychron, working>>>>>not working.
Fully decked out K8 User here. Swapped the Gatheron Browns on mine with Cherry MX Blues... it's a clicky paradise. Love what Keychron is doing, Good Pricepoint to get sucked into the whole Mechanical Keyboard Game.
I have a K6 wireless. Love it, shine through keys too.
I love my K4 but I can see that the internal battery seems to be getting worse and worse after the 2 years I’ve had it.
3:56 that's not why people dislike north-facing LEDs. it's because it makes the switch housings interfere with cherry profile keycaps
Here is my problem with Keychron keyboards, I love them, I use to have a K2. BUT, if you want a wireless keyboard they are really bad for gaming, I don't know this new PRO, but all of the past models have insane latency on bluetooth compared to a Razer blackwidow mini hyperspeed in bluetooth mode. Keychrons are always like 21-23ms and Razer's is less than 10ms in bluetooth. Even the wired connection on keychrons is about 10ms compared to most gaming keyboards 2-5ms. Edit: the bluetooth latency is very noticable when you game, I'm not only talking because of the numbers.